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Upcoming Events 1
Words from the Director 2
Class Schedules 3
Rider Education 4
Tom Denny Car Tires?? 5
Staff/Awards/Birthdays/Anniversaries 6
Puzzle Time/For Sale 7
Photo Corner 8
Chapter ID-H RiverRun 9
Wingding 38/Reno Rendezvous 10
2016 Region and District Rallies 11

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Upcoming Events
   

April

Staff 6:00 4/7
Keewaydin Library on Dayton St

Regular Meeting is Saturday April 9th 8:00 Breakfast at the Pasco Red Lion, 9:00 Meeting

4/9

Spring Fever WA-E

Flyer

4/17

Brown Bag Auction
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Flyer

A full Calendar is on the website

For Sale and Want to Buy is also on
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May

Staff 6:00 5/12
Keewaydin Library on Dayton St

Regular Meeting is Saturday May 14th 8:00 Breakfast at the Pasco Red Lion, 9:00 Meeting

5/14

Crazy Mountain Ride  (Tacoma)

5/26

Desert Spring Fling
Fairground setup

5/27-30

Desert Spring Fling

3rd Annual Shriner's Ride for Children
June...Click for info

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Accept Yourself
Mike and Janet Turner

Mike & Janet Turner

An elderly Chinese man had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a pole which he carried across his neck.

One of the pots had a crack in it while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water. At the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full.

For a full two years this went on daily, with the man bringing home only one and a half pots of water.

Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments. But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it could only do half of what it had been made to do. After 2 years of what it perceived to be bitter failure, it spoke to the man one day by the stream. "I am ashamed of myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your house."

The old man smiled, "Did you notice that there are flowers on your side of the path, but not on the other pot's side?" "That's because I have always known about your flaw, so I planted flower seeds on your side of the path, and every day while we walk back, you water them." "For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to decorate the table. Without you being just the way you are, there would not be this beauty to grace the house."

Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You've just got to take each person for what they are and look for the good in them.

So, to all of my crackpot friends, have a great day and remember to smell the flowers on your side of the path!

Thanks everyone for giving us the privilege of being your Directors
Mike and Janet Turner

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Herb Powers GWRRA-WA-L New Classes and Schedule
Rider Educators Herb & Gaylene Powers
Gaylene Powers GWRRA-WA-L

For any of the following classes a course registration form must be filled out with a check included for the class you wish to attend in order to hold a spot. Only 12 riders and 12 co-riders may attend a class. First come first serve. I will send out an email when classes are full.
 
Mail the registration form and check made out to GWRRA Region I
to: Telco Wiring; Attn: Herb Powers; P.O. Box 2503; Pasco, Wa. 99302

SRC (Sidecar Rider Course) Please get the word out to friends and family. Anyone with a sidecar is welcome to take this course. PLEASE! (registration is cost is the same for non GWWRA members.) SRC April 23 Classroom 8:00am Site 435 N Clover Island Dr, Kennewick SRC April 23 in the afternoon. Range site Address 1350 S Rainier St, Kennewick Wa.

Combined TRC (Three-wheeled Riding Course) and TRC R "Range Only"
TRC April 30 Classroom 8:00am Site Class Site Fire Department Training Room at 19th and Ely in Kennewick (If you have not had an TRC you must attend this class, prior to attending TRC R "Range") TRC R "Range Only" April 30 12pm Site address 1350 S Rainier St, Kennewick Wa. (If you have attended an TRC already' you do not have to attend the class at 8:00am)

TC (Trailering course)
Class for TRC  June 18 8:00am Class Site Fire Department Training Room at 19th and Ely in Kennewick Range June 18 Afternoon Range site Address 1350 S Rainier St, Kennewick Wa.

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Herb Powers GWRRA-WA-L April, Already?
Rider Educators Herb & Gaylene Powers
Gaylene Powers GWRRA-WA-L

Holy Mackerel, now that March (in like a lion out like a lamb) has already passed we are facing motorcycle riding full on!


As we grow more mature in life, one the thing we may lose is the ability to hold our 2 wheeled motorcycles upright. Even now if the GL1800 950+lb GoldWing is not squarely upright at a full stop, that bike will get heavy quick! depending on lean angle. So an alternative to the two wheels is three.


When going to three wheels our steering goes from counter steering (push right, lean right, go right) to push pull steering, or turn your handle bars in the direction you want the bike to go. The person who has been riding a two wheeled bike for 30+ years will soon learn (sometimes our ego’s will write checks that will get us killed) there is a big difference between the two styles of motorcycles.


With three wheels we have a choice. We can purchase a Can-Am Spyder that has two wheels up front and one wheel in the back. Or maybe a trike kit from one of the many aftermarket manufacturers that can turn our current two wheeled motorcycle into one wheel in front and two wheels in back. Or maybe add a side car (hack) to our current two wheeled motorcycle. We now have an alternative to traditional three wheel is a new kit made by Tilting MotorWorks. Significance of this three wheeled motorcycle is it handles like a 2 wheeled motorcycle. I suspect Honda is coming out with this alternative style soon.


I attended the Wa. District rider workshop in last month in Buckley, and there was a guest speaker from Tilting Motor Workshttps://www.tiltingmotorworks.com/. I did not attend his particular seminar, but I was able to view his trikes and watch his demonstration ride.

Jay Leno recently recorded an article with the Owner operator of Tilting MotorWorks that I will provide a link to YouTube.  Enjoy!  https://youtu.be/T3TumQ-ueMU

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A Car Tire on the rear of a GL1800 Goldwing?
By Tom Denny

Tom Denny

If you are a Goldwinger you probably know of, or have heard of, someone using a car tire on the rear of their Goldwing and may have wondered, "Why would someone do that? Doesn't it effect handling? Is it safe? What's the story here." Lets look at this practice and see if I can hopefully answer a few questions.

Besides the Honda GL1800 Goldwing there are other motorcycles people have mounted car tires on. Bikes such as the Kawasaki Vulcan, Kawasaki Nomad, Honda Valkyrie, and Honda VTX 1300 & VTX 1800, Honda ST1300, Triumph Rocket III, Yamaha Raider, Yamaha Road Liner, Yamaha Road Star, Yamaha Royal Star, Yamaha FJR and the Victory Vision and there may be others I am not aware of. One can even mount a 14 inch car tire on the rear of a Suzuki Burgman scooter should one choose to do so! There are websites dedicated to the use of a car tire on the rear of each one of these bikes.

The internet bulletin board known as the Darkside Riders has a link to a roster that, at the time this article was written listed 1,700 people registered as using a car tire on the rear of their GL1800. Those riders together claim to have ridden more than 10,700,000 total miles on car tires (an average of approximately 6,300 miles each). 1,700 riders and ten million miles seems like significant numbers but statistically they are actually a very small fraction of the total number of GL1800 riders in America and the miles they have ridden. However, I think it is a large enough group with enough miles that their combined experience at least bears taking a look at.

Why do these people use a car tire on their motorcycle? The reasons are as varied as there are riders but in my research I found it generally breaks down into two main camps. Those that do it to save money and those that claim it is a safer tire. Certainly there are other reasons people use to justify their car tire use such as claims of a softer ride or better traction but cost and safety appear to be two main camps.

Is it cheaper to use a car tire rather than a motorcycle tire on the rear of a Goldwing? In almost every case yes, it is. Car tire prices range from approximately $80 to over $200. It depends on your choice of tire. Compare that to the current cost of a motorcycle rear tire for your Goldwing at $200 or more and you can see that there can be a significant savings to be had depending on your tire selection. With tires, as with many other things in life, you often get what you pay for. Many of those using a car tire in place of a motorcycle tire claim they get greater mileage and anecdotal evidence seems to support this claim as accurate. So even if you paid the same amount for each tire the longer wearing car tire  

1. http://gl1800riders.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?31-Darkside-Riders

2. http://www.murgie.com/dsi_roster.txt

3. http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?566906-How-many-miles-on-car-tires

would give you more miles per dollar. If saving money is your goal it is certainly doable with a car tire.

Okay, but is it safe? Claims of safety are difficult to prove. If you do something and don't get injured doing it can you argue that it was safe? Perhaps, perhaps not. Searching the internet I did not find any reports of motorcycle accidents attributable to using a car tire, including the above mentioned 1,700 Darkside Riders with 10 million miles. Not one accident caused by a car tire or in which it was a contributing factor. While this may not statistically prove it to be a "safe" modification it has at least, in my opinion, certainly not been proven to be an "unsafe" modification.

Most GL1800 owners are aware of numerous reports of motorcycle rear tires that delaminate, split their treads, blow out, etcetera. It can be argued that many of these incidents can be attributed to improper inflation and/or overloading but the fact remains that this type of event is so common that almost every GL1800 owner knows of a rear tire failure on a Gold Wing. Many of the rear tires made for the GL1800 are overloaded simply by riding two-up on them whereas the lowest rated car tire used on a GL1800 has a higher load rating that the highest rated motorcycle tire. That being said, I also found several references to car tires failing while being ridden on. In these instances none of the riders went down or crashed and the reasons for the sudden loss of pressure was generally either foreign object damage, excessive wear or under inflation due to an undiagnosed leak. In some reports the actual cause was either never found or not reported. I also found one report of a run-flat car tire that failed after being ridden over 300 miles without any air in it . It appears to me that these "loss of inflation" events are more rare with a car tire than with a motorcycle tire but every rider should check their tires often for proper inflation pressure and wear, even daily or more if traveling, regardless of the type, make or model of tire they are using.

There are car tires available that are run-flat, that is they are able to be driven or ridden on for considerable distances (advertised as up to 50 miles) with no air pressure in them at all in order to get you to a place where they can safely be repaired, i.e. off the shoulder of the road. That's something not currently available in a GL1800 motorcycle tire. Many say that the ability to use a run-flat tire is their main reason for using a car tire and tout the "safety" factor of a run-flat tire verses a non run-flat car or motorcycle tire.

So what about a flat with a regular, non run-flat car tire? The reports I've read of those who say they've had flats with their non run-flat car tires reported that it was similar to what one experiences when a motorcycle tire goes flat. The flaccid tire allows the rear of the motorcycle to wallow and whip back and forth unnervingly until the machine can be brought to a stop. Without internal air pressure to stiffen the sidewalls both motorcycle tires and non run-flat car tires are difficult, dangerous and scary to ride on. The run-flat tire on the other hand gives little notice that it has lost its inflation and a rider may continue many miles, without realizing the tire is low or flat, until it fails. Tire Pressure Monitoring (TPMS) systems are always recommended when using run-flat capable tires.

4. http://gl1800riders.com/forums/15-darkside-riders/108855-tire-failure.html

What about handling? Can that square profile car tire actually go around corners? Riders using car tires seem to be able to go around corners just as well as those using motorcycle tires. There are videos on the internet showing Goldwings participating in a "Track Day" on a race track while using car tires on the rear wheel and going around corners quite well . Another video shows a Goldwing with a car tire at Deals Gap doing the same . No one I know that uses or has used a car tire on their motorcycle claims to have had any difficulty cornering.

However, putting a car tire on the rear of your motorcycle will change the way it handles, but is the handling better or worse? In this case it is sort of a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" situation. Some prefer the way a car tire handles, some don't mind it and some don't like it at all. Some have tried it and decided never again while others have became zealous in spreading the word about car tire use on a motorcycle. While the handling and feel are certainly different there is currently no evidence that a car tire causes any handling characteristics that have proven dangerous.

What about traction? Anecdotal evidence indicates that a car tire on a motorcycle has as much traction as a motorcycle tire does and the videos referred to above seem to bear that out. Many car tire users claim they get better traction on wet roads than they do with a motorcycle tire. Is that true? Over the years car tires have benefited from much greater research and development than motorcycle tires so there may actually be some merit in that argument. Unfortunately I have been unable to find any tests that would indicate one tire has any advantage over the other, wet or dry.

What about the tire contact patch when the bike leans over in a turn? Amazingly the contact patch of both motorcycle tires and car tires remains remarkably consistent in size (area), if not shape, when compared between straight up and leaned over. The motorcycle tire contact patch is an oval shape that remains oval when the bike leans over. A car tire has a rectangular contact patch when running vertically that changes to an elongated "D" shape as the bike leans over in a turn and the sidewall flexes. The car tires that fit on a GL 1800 typically have a larger contact patch than a comparable motorcycle tire, presumably due to lower inflation pressures.

One argument against the use of car tires is that motorcycle wheels were not designed to have car tires mounted on them. That is absolutely true, car wheels and motorcycle wheels have different specifications and are shaped differently in the bead area . Each type of tire was specifically built to be used on its appropriate wheel. The Gold Wing's rear wheel was never intended to hold a car tire although it appears to work just fine, manufacturer's intentions aside. I can find no report of a car tire coming off a Goldwing

5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU2bkeGwRGM#t=66
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s8RReeLvV8
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNMEv7VoH04
8. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a8606/why-so-called-darksiders-prefer-auto-tires-on-their-motorcycles/
9. http://gl1800riders.com/forums/15-darkside-riders/111276-ct-vs-mt-contact-patch.html
10. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/10-reference-faq-forum/400426-design-differences-between-car-motorcycle-rim-tire.html

rear wheel accidentally. Even in the reports of sudden loss of air pressure while riding, the car tires stayed on the GL1800 rims at least as well as motorcycle tires did.

The motorcycle industry in general denounces the practice of using a car tire on the rear of a motorcycle as a reckless, irresponsible and dangerous behavior while tire and motorcycle manufacturers proclaim the practice of using a car tire on the rear of a motorcycle as certain disaster and idiocy in the extreme. In all honesty, looking at the numbers it appears that no great harm has come to those that have used a car tire on the rear of their motorcycle and insurance companies have so far not used it as an excuse to deny any claims, despite what you may have heard.

In comparison, pulling a trailer behind a motorcycle is also an act not endorsed by any motorcycle manufacturer yet it is a practice commonly accepted by motorcyclists, the general motorcycling press and the motorcycle industry in general. The Honda Goldwing owner's manual specifically warns against the practice of towing a trailer. Yet, in spite of that, it continues to be a very popular activity among Goldwing owners. There can be no doubt that connecting a trailer to a motorcycle has a major effect on the handling, acceleration and braking performance of that motorcycle but it doesn't get the same emotional reaction as the use of a car tire does.

Another thing to consider about the use of a car tire on your Goldwing is that not all shops will mount them for you or they might ask you to sign a waiver first. There are also Honda shops that will refuse to do service or warranty work on a Goldwing outfitted with a car tire.

So what is the bottom line? Should you mount a car tire on your GL1800? Is it a crazy thing to do? You'll have to decide that for yourself. There can be no argument that it changes the motorcycle's handling but is that effect something that is inherently dangerous? That really seems to be the heart of the controversy over using a car tire and both sides of the argument are adamant in defense of their positions. Honestly, both types of tires have enviable safety records so I have to say that it is not an "inherently dangerous" practice. My experience and research indicates that if you decide to use a car tire on the rear of your GL1800 you'll probably not crash and burn, at least not because of the car tire.

This article is not intended to influence you one way or the other but to hopefully answer some questions. I have no interest in what type of tire you chose to use. The information I've shared is correct to the best of my knowledge. I admit that I have not read everything about the subject or talked to everyone that uses a car tire on their motorcycle. Still, I'm confident in the general accuracy of my statements here. I hope you have found this interesting. See you down the road /:\

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Staff Awards

Chapter Director
director@gwrra-wa-l.org
Mike & Janet Turner (509) 845-1069

Assistant CD
assistantcd1@gwrra-wa-l.org
Tom & Santana Denny (509) 582-8779

Treasurer
treasurer@gwrra-wa-l.org
Jerry Denny (509) 308-1979

Secretary
secretary@gwrra-wa-l.org
Georgia Finley (509) 948-2063

Rider Educator
ridereducator@gwrra-wa-l.org
Herb & Gail Powers (509) 545-9341

Ride Coordinator
ridecoordinator@gwrra-wa-l.org
Tom Didway (509) 301-6547

Ambassadores
Spencer & Pat Royer (541) 276-0214

Membership Enhancement membership@gwrra-wa-l.org
Rob & Gail Lindsley (509) 531-7849

Chapter Stores
membership@gwrra-wa-l.org
Russ & Chris Akers (509) 378-2918

Historian
Georgia Finley (509) 783-9783

Sunshine Coordinator
Donna Whiteside (509) 943-9828

Phone Tree/Emails
Joyce LoParco (509) 546-1166

Couple of the Year
TBA

Individual of the Year
TBA

Newsletter Editor
pitzer@gwrra-wa-l.org
Bill Pitzer (509) 735-7181

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Good Guy: Diane Domas,

Oops: Jerry Domas,

Show for the Dough: Not Attending,

50-50: Mike White Chapter B,

Gary Domas
a free breakfast.

Puzzle: Mike Turner

Birthdays

4   Piper, Ann
12 Sheehy, Millie
13 Lindsley, Rob
     Herb Powers

21 Burnside, George

Anniversaries

None

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Puzzle For Sale
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Bill Pitzer

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2011 RSS SE5, less than 8500 miles. Mostly highway miles.

Added mods, K&N air filter, 41/2" handlebar risers, Bumpskid, 4- 20W spots on the front with top and bottom switched separately. LEDs in Tip lights, Amber LED turn signals on fenders, Red mud flap LEDs wired as running and turn signal, Red LEDs on rear fender wired as running and brake. Bajaron sway bar, floor boards, BRP comfort seat, BRP passenger backrest. Givi Saddlebags, 4 12V power plugs, separate switched. Accessory power wired into its own fuse block. Ram Mounts, garage door remote with push button on dash. Service manual

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Hardin Terrell

Just down from Alaska is selling his motorcycles that he has rebuilt from the ground up.  Hardin lives in Pasco.  Call him if anyone is interested at 509 412-1045, cell # 253 777-7817 or email at

hardinandjoan@yahoo.com.

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Silver 2005 Goldwing with 21,011 miles.

Accessories: Kuryakyn trunk rack, Utopia driver back rest, CB, Lights around the trunk and saddle bags, front fog lights, chrome trim pieces. Runs and rides great. Asking $9,500. We purchased a trike. Please contact Sallie or John Baldwin at sallienjohn@gmail.com or 602-708-4121

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2016 Region and District Rallies
Photo Corner
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GWRRA-IS-H RiverRun 2016
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Wingdings 38
Registrations are already coming in hard and fast, with pre-registration hitting record numbers. You don’t want to miss out on that kind of FUN!


Opening ceremonies will be held on August 31, but we have a very exciting day planned on August 30 that you really won’t want to miss. As you all know, the International Couple of the Year selection process is held on that day. This year, we’re making it even more FUN. We’ll be holding a COY Boot camp that morning for anyone (COYs, MECs, COY Coordinators, Directors, judges) who has interest in the COY program. Not only will the boot camp cover topics designed to assist a COY in participating in the selection process, but it will also be an informative resource for coordinators and individuals who are asked to judge the selection process. And of course, all of this will be imparted with all of the FUN we can muster!


But wait—there’s more! In addition to the excitement of the Couples’ oral presentations that afternoon, there will be an Awards Ceremony after the oral presentations that will include the MEC of the Year, Newsletter Award, Chapter of the Year presentation, Merit / Director of the Year presentation, and will culminate in the announcement of the new International Couple of the Year. This will be one FUN afternoon, and we don’t want anyone to miss out!

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2016 Region and District Rallies

Our Assistant Directors, Ron and Bev Clark, put together a great spreadsheet listing all of the 2016 rally dates that are currently available in one document.  We hope that you will take a look at this schedule and, since it’s the season of giving, give yourself the gift of registering yourself for a rally that’s perhaps outside of your District or Region.  When we visit our cohorts in other areas, we discover new and exciting ways to have FUN!

Event Details (Name, Theme, Sel., Etc.) Date Location
GA District Rally  The Brothers Grimm Apr 21 - 23 Dalton, GA
KS District Rally   Apr 22 - 24 Hutchinson, KS
TN District   Apr 28 - 30 Pigeon Forge, TN
AL District Rally  Christmas In Dixie - GW Style May 19 - 21 Eufaula, AL
PA District Rally    May 19 - 21 State College, PA
Spring Warm Up IN (A Little Bit Of Country Theme) May 19 - 21 Parke County Fairgrounds, Rockville, IN
TX District Rally   May 19 - 21 Temple, TX
Region Ride "N"   May 20 - 21 Hungry Mother State Park, Marion, VA
AR District Rally   May 26 - 28 Harrison, AR
Regional F / NM Dist. Rally  Region “F”un Family Reunion! May 27 - 29 Marriott, Albuquerque, NM
Regional Rally E No Regional Rally - COY / IOY Sel. Jun 2 Branson, MO
MO District Rally   Jun 3 - 4 Branson, MO
Buckeye Rally OH (Hobo Junction Theme)  Jun 16 - 18 Mahoning Co Fairgrounds, Canfield, OH
MN / ND District Rally COY / IOY Selection  Jul 8 - 9 Wilmar, MN
SC District Rally Wingin' Down on the Farm Jul 14 - 16 Anderson, SC
UT District Rally   Jul 15 - 16 Western Park/Conf. Center, Vernal, UT
New England Rally CT, NH, VT, ME, RI Jul 21 - 23 West Lebanon, NH 
IL District Rally   Jul 22 - 23 Pontiac, IL
WV District   Jul 22 - 23 Summersville, WV
Region K Rendezvous The Roaring Twenties Jul 22 - 24 Quality Hotel & Suites, Woodstock, ON Canada
Regional Rally L COY Selection  Jul 22 - 24 Best Western Glengary, Truro, NS Canada
Regional Rally D USA Proud Jul 28 - 30 Branch Co Fairgrounds, Coldwater, MI
ID District Rally   Jul 28 - 30 Garden, ID
Bi State Rally  NY & NJ (Regional COY Sel.) Aug 4 - 6 Swedesboro, NJ
Michigan Rally   Aug 5 - 6 Osceola Co Fairgrounds, Evart, MI
CO Convention 27th Winging the Rockies Conv. Aug 11 - 13 Montrose Co Fairgrounds, Montrose, Co
KY District   Aug 18 - 20 Cave City, KY
NE / SD District Rally COY / IOY Selection  Aug 25 - 27 Wall Drug, SD
Regional Rally J Wing in The Rockies Aug 26 - 28 Red Deer, AB Canada
WY District Rally   Aug 29 - 30 "Welcome to Wing Ding" Party
WI District Rally COY / IOY Selection  Sep 16 - 17 Wisconsin Dells, WI
NC District   Sep 22 - 24 Cherokee, NC
CA District Rally   Sep 23 - 25 DoubleTree Hotel, Bakersfield. CA
IA District Rally COY / IOY Selection  Sep 25 - 26 Dubuque, IA
OK District Rally   Sep 29 - Oct 1 Muscogee, OK
VA District   Oct 6 - 8 Roanoke, VA
MS District Rally   Oct 13 - 15 Gulfport, MS
Regional Rally A Region 'A' Steel Pony Rally Oct 27 - 29 Lakepoint Lodge & Conv. Center, Eufaula, AL
AZ District Convention    Oct 28 - 30 Nautical Beachfront Resort, Havasu City, AZ 
Region N  Winter Event COY Selection  Nov 4 - 6  
WA District Rally   TBD Port Townsend, WA
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